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Hey ya'll. I haven't seen much on here lately about the Vertemati. To be clear, I'm talking about the last generation, 2002, 2003, Sliver-Grey frame and fenders, red and white trim. I believe they are called the Fusion engine. (Not VOR, or first generation, sorry.) I know it's really cold this time of year especially on the east coast. Maybe that is it. Still, I haven't ridden mine for years because of the parts issue. That may soon to be helped along. I have been finding parts on eBay, and bought a spare engine, rolling chassis-project Electric start SM, a racing 570SM. In the process, I have been doing a LOT of research. Primarily on parts acquisition. The research continues as the threads on here are all incomplete. So... As I/we gather this info, is there anybody here that would actually ride their Vertemati if you could get parts? More affordable and guaranteed delivery aftermarket parts? For example:

Unobtainium:
Pistons. They are about 450 Euros from the bros in Truggio. We all know how long you might wait. What if you could get factory OEM pistons here? On the shelf? Would you pay more for them? Aftermarket: There are a couple of manufacturers that make them here stateside. I still do not know what the reliability of these pistons are, however, would you buy them for around $250 if they were readily available on the shelf? We all need to try them to report on the reliability and post this here.

Connecting rods: The bros told me they had a bad run of conrods from the manufacturer and that they couldn't tell which were which. They said to just run the bike until it made noise and then shut it off immediately. Many on here have experienced this issue. Very disheartening to spend the money for a rebuild and have it lunch a few hours later. This has made many sell off their bikes, some as parts. We have heard of some race teams having found a Yamaha rod that they used. We are researching this now. More as we learn this. We will post it as well as potentially stock them. There is also Arrow in Italy, however, I have read here that they are more than the pistons??? Ridiculous! Are they made of titanium??? Platinum??? Still, if we can come up with that part number and any info, we will post that as well. Everything counts!

Crank Pins: There is a known mod for the bottom end lube problem. This seems to be a crank pin with holes drilled in the proper location. We may provide this pin for those who have blown their engine and are in the process of rebuilding. More research is being done. Some of you know this mod. Help is appreciated.

Billet engine covers: Same rules apply for these things from the factory. However, would you buy some custom made replacements? We all know machinists, most charge a lot for these kinds of things if made to order. We might potentially have some made by batch and of course keep the CNC file so they would be easy to set up and make and keep on the shelf.

Clutch slave cylinder parts: So far, we haven't found the correct kits for rebuilding these from Brembo and Magura, but the search goes on. We would potentially come up with the correct seals and o-rings and be able to sell them as a kit, and probably pretty affordable and easy. However, the search remains for the pistons. Probably have those made by our machinists. Not rocket science, relatively simple.

Clutch billet stuff: These are truly unobtainium. Haven't found anybody who has these, or knows where to get them. The outer hub and inner hub are especially expensive to copy. Pressure plate also. Working on this, but this may really have to be purchased form the factory.

Gear trains: Same as above, as it seems are all the engine internals.

That damnable auto-decompression arm/cam thingy! We have had people try to make them and CAN'T??? WTF?! I see on the Vertemati factory web site an engine that has some kind of mod on the valve cover. We believe this is similar to the VOR manual decompression lever operated by a handle bar lever. We are inquiring about it as to what we need to do to implement this and remove the faulty part in the cam that can break and deliver huge problems as the chunks float about in your engine. Further, having the option to kick start the engine on a remote ride after breaking this part would be REALLY beneficial. Otherwise, maybe I go over there and buy them all up? List them on here??? We are working on this.

Remembering a couple of things about doing biz with the bros: I have had a great experience with them... IN ITALY. Joe at Motostrano had a HORRID experience with them as they ripped him off for all practical purposes, for a LOT of money. (I would like to see them pay him back somehow and if I can implement that, I will). That said, buying OEM parts has it's benefits. Collectable value. For the purists, this is the only way to go. Like Ferrari, money that goes through the factory funds their racing habit, which also supports research and development. This of course will help in the design of the future project releases. They are back in business and have a very exclusive road race bike almost ready to ship, (and I must admit, I am totally interested...) and a dirt bike with the reverse cylinder engine. This is not new news, however, buying parts from Truggio does in fact help continue this process. This may require somebody like me going to the factory a couple of times a year to buy and hand carry parts back here. I am really only speaking of supporting the Americas at this point as the Europeans can just go there afford-ably and get what they need. It's that trip across the pond that makes this expensive.

Readily available stuff:
Brembo can be difficult to deal with. We have somebody working on finding the correct kits for rebuilding the calipers by cross referencing them from others. Additionally, the provider we are working with would just list the parts on their web site and we would just direct you there with a link. Levers can be purchased through Brembo retailers, like our aforementioned friends.

Clutch discs: As with many of the parts, these were not designed by the bros, they sourced them from already proven designs and incorporated into the final engine design. They are used in Husqvarnas and Husabergs, and who knows what all else. We have the Barnett number for these as a kit. Fibers, steels, springs. We will also post the Husqvarna part number and KTM number as well, (As we are told they use them also.) That should make it easier to get them.

Engine bearings we are told are source-able from Husqvarna. Working on this to provide part numbers, as well as potentially having a supply of them by number on the shelf.

Plastics: These fall into both categories as the fenders are readily available from Acerbis, except for the large front sides that cover the radiators. The rear tail light assembly is from UFO, still available. Headlight frame is also Acerbis though I can't find the original design on the web site. There are better kits out there. The original headlight sucks. I am working on a replacement.

Radiators and guards: These are KTM parts. Numbers to follow.

Stator: The original is made by SEM however, it sucks and fails. This for 2 reasons: It vibrates itself to death, wearing the enamel on the wire so they short, and the fact that the 2 lighting coils have to be wired together to produce the high output for lights, and as such, it overheats. Poor design. Mike Hodges has helped design a better unit that is for sale by Electrolux in the UK. This is not new news, I found this on here in another thread, however, having the part numbers all in one place and links would be nice..

There is much more to work on, but here is the question: Would there be any interest in this? Will it be worth my time and hard earned $ to put this together? Would you all ride your bikes if you could actually readily get the parts and service? We are also working on having some shops do the work on the west coast and would welcome anybody else across the country to also become Vertemati specialists. We would list here and on our future web site anybody who offers service to those of us who do not wish to wrench on expensive Italian art.

As we enthusiasts are aware, these are truly an art piece, but I personally would not care if it wasn't for the fact that they are a blast and a joy to ride and really outperform the competition, similar to Ferrari, and almost as exclusive. I don't mean to start an argument about which bikes are better than others here, I am a victim of the Harley disease, and it's a Shovel Head to boot! (It has been very reliable and easy to work on, as it is 1930s tractor technology... a pure joy to ride as well as long as you are only going to the bar!) I also have a Slowsuki DRZ 400 that is box stock and it is also a carefree inexpensive blast to ride, and quite honestly, gets more of my time than the rest. (Cheap parts right at the local store, and it never needs any!) The only thing faster on my 3 miles of dirt road and 16 miles of tight twisty pavement is my Vertemati enduro. I can't wait to try the Vertemati 570 SM! I look at the Vertemati as the Ferrari of off road race bikes. My first is an enduro, which in all honesty is the one I will likely ride most, however, now I have a track only SM, that I may sell as I don't race, and will finish my E-start SM and plate it, and the Suzuki will get ridden less probably, due to the wheelie-ability of the Vert. If we can come up with reliable parts sources with affordable after market parts as well as the premium factory OEM parts on the shelf, and links to others who have the same, then would you all ride your bikes? Would you buy from us?

Let me know here! Give me your feedback. I also would really like to know how many of these are really out there, beginning with the Americas. I personally know of 17 right here on the west coast. We are in Norcal, in the Sierras.
Ride on, Maggot Brains!!!
 

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When I owned mine I was in contact with the brothers and was told there were 50 units imported into the states. I sold my bike to a collector but wish I hadn't. I love these bikes and as soon as I have the funds I will buy another one. I am a machinist. I can make anything I would need other than plastic.
 

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Cool!

Well thanks for replying. I read last night on another forum that same number. It was an old post, however that makes 2 people claiming 50. I will soon have 7, which I hope to keep! When you get serious about buying one, get back to me. I may know of a couple for sale though none of them will be cheap. By then, there may be others as well. Check back in here or subscribe to this post to see how we do on generating interest. If this idea takes off and we have parts and parts info on a consolidated web site, this should bring value back to owning these. I saw many go for parts due to the difficulty and cost of getting parts. That is truly a sad tale, unless you were the recipient of the parts!
 

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Machinist???

I am a machinist. I can make anything I would need other than plastic.
So would you also be willing to make and sell Vertemati bits to the rest of us here? Willing to have a link to you on our potential future web site? :D As you can see, I'm starting the build the sources now!
 

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So would you also be willing to make and sell Vertemati bits to the rest of us here? Willing to have a link to you on our potential future web site? :D As you can see, I'm starting the build the sources now!


Could be a very real possibility given the demand is there. I do not own my own shop and buying equipment would not be cheap.

You said you read one other place that 50 Verts were imported. If you read that on Thumper Talk by user "vchss176" that was me. :) I still have the emails between the brothers and myself if they are of any interest to you.
 

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Could be a very real possibility given the demand is there. I do not own my own shop and buying equipment would not be cheap.

You said you read one other place that 50 Verts were imported. If you read that on Thumper Talk by user "vchss176" that was me. :) I still have the emails between the brothers and myself if they are of any interest to you.
Yep, that was you. Yes I'm interested. On machining, let's see how this goes. I am seeing more interest in the last few months than in the last few years combined. Beginning with a fuel tank getting me all hyped up to fix mine and go riding again which is the immediate plan anyway. Then, .... 6 more.... It's a sickness. Motorcycle madness! I've always had that, but now...
 

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I want to get another one so bad. Or barrow one and duplicate it. Haha. PM me your email address and I will forward you the emails I have from them. I still have a stack of brochures and stickers from when I had the bike.
 

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I just bought that collection a few of days ago. Keeping them all to go with my other 3. Sorry folks! Mine mine mine mine....
Nice, I hope you enjoy them. Are you in the Bay Area?
 

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Close by.

I live in the sierras an hour west of north Tahoe. Foothills. I travel a lot for work. In the bay area all the time. Just went there a few weeks ago and bought my 3rd Vert, a racing 570. Had to do it. To good to pass up.
 

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Before it's first ride, "06

My first one. Goes well in the apartment with the stove and heater! Not much else then. Divorce present to myself. "I got a Vertemati for my ex-wife! Best trade I ever made!!!"
 

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Vertemati, Vertemati"s , The More the Merrier !

I have 12 Vertemati Motorcycles, 1 ATV, The herd is Growing .
If anybody has parts for sale ? Any year, 97'-04'
Please let me know ?
I'm working with a Carbon Fiber mfg. In my local area. Were working on large fuel tanks, fenders, side panels, skid plates, handguards & headlights. Lighter, stronger, more flexibility, any color.
I've seen the Euro-prices, WACK !
I'm working on prices.
Would anyone be interested ?
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Yes indeed!

Let's keep the link! I will want a skid plate, at least one to start with someday soon.... (As soon as I pay off my girlfriend for the last purchase... and do all the chores on her honey do list.) So then we can eventually put you on the list for Carbon once we get that web site up and running? Maybe contact info and a link?
 

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I would be into buying a cnc machine to make reproduction case covers, triple clamps, etc... All the billet stuff. I know the stock ignition cover is cast magnesium.

However, that would be at least a $75-100,000 investment, minimum. I would need a lot of commitment and confirmed orders or a generous investor. Even then the parts would not be cheap starting out.
 

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Sounds like everything Vertemati!

Yep, expensive. Not sure there is enough demand to spend that kind of money, however, who knows? Maybe other would chime in with their custom bits? Never say never. Let's see what develops...
 

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The newest one...

Got this one recently. Stoked! Allegedly, Doug Chandler won 4 races in a row on this, one at Laguna Seca. I have to confirm that though. Anybody know how to reach him?
 

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Seen a 2000 503 MX for sale, intrigued, I had to google them. Their latest iteration is sooo sexy. Nice write up and good luck.
 
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