[jamesracing96]

:thumbup:

If you are interested or have questions please pm me.

 

[DSRMerlin]

Is thatn a BBR frame and stuff?

 

[jamesracing96]

NOPE!! all EMS

 

[PowerFiend]

How about some specs.

Suspension travel
CC's.
Carb size, etc.
Speeds
manual or auto clutch.
shift pattern.
Brand motor. Are the parts compatible with Honda 50 parts
Wheel size
Price
etc.

 

[Muzzard]

On the control, 'out of the box' model as they are supplied, the specifications are:
124cc Engine
Full Clutch and 4 speed gearbox (1 down & 3 up)
Alloy perimeter frame
Fully Adjustable USD with 150mm travel (Marzocchi)
Fully Adjustable rear shock with remote resevoir, 140mm wheel travel (Elka)
Oval bore Mikuni carb.
Alloy footpegs
Alloy sump guard
12"x1.6" Alloy rims front and back
Oversize Wave front disc rotor
Alloy single piston calipers (Nissin)
Alloy muffler/Length tuned exhaust
Colour Black/Red wheel set
(Dont ask about other colours as Hondas are red, and Yamahas blue, OK)
AUSTRALIAN SPECIFICATION
Look like BBR, Refined engineering, Best Components, Cheaper!

Retail: $5500 USD

Footnote: (There is a lot of hype about these little bikes on http://www.vsmr.net as there are some being ridden here in Australia..)

 

[stlwalnut]

That bike looks great.
Is the frame available alone or just the complete bike?

 

[Muzzard]

Yes, the frames are available seperately, contact JR for further info.. :thumbup:

 

[motard50s]

Those are not Marzocchi forks, and that is not an Elka shock... they are knock-offs of the Marz and Elka. Please note that so the readers are correctly informed. I saw pics of the original bike that was being duped and those were the real-deal. These are not.

I am allowing you to post the "PM me for info" because I like to see new products (even cheap ones) and with a pricetag of $5500 I dont see how you will sell many of them anyways.

A bike built from scratch at full retail with BBR frame ($2400), Elka shock (included), Marzocchi forks ($1400), TB108 stroker motor (that will walk all over that 124) ($1000), bars-plastic-SDG seat ($300 or so), rear wheel complete ($250), knobbie tires ($40), misc ($300)...

That is $5690. Only $190 more than your retail... and unless your shipping for a complete bike to my front door is less than $190, it is cheaper to use the legit parts and have a near bullet-proof bike.

I am all for competition in the marketplace... but I think you need to price your bike more competitively. If I am mistaken and you are talking $5500AUS... Ill take 2.

~Erik

 

[Muzzard]

The bike you see here is built to specs for a cheaper market than the U.S
They are for illustration purposes only...
And could you please get BBR to update thier catalogue, cause aint no way I can get all that stuff from them for that.
The the pics of the real bike being 'duped' as you say, wouldn't have been the ones I emailed you would it? :hmmm:

 

[motard50s]

The bike you see here is built to specs for a cheaper market than the U.S
They are for illustration purposes only...
And could you please get BBR to update thier catalogue, cause aint no way I can get all that stuff from them for that.
The the pics of the real bike being 'duped' as you say, wouldn't have been the ones I emailed you would it? :hmmm:

nope. I saw them before you sent me anything... and as I told you, I would not share any information that you shared with me in confidentiality and I still hold to that. I did not and will not go back on my word. I just want true information shared.

I hope it all works out.
~E

 

[Muzzard]

Thanks for the keeping confidentiality Erik, :thumbup:
As you are no doubt aware, specification vary according to production specification requested and that is where you get price differentials with what you see here for illustration purposes.
EMS are Australian specification and the finish build is done here also.
You have made no mention of brakes and other necessary components to complete your build up from 'legit parts'.
Re engineering is the way to radical innovation, and if you can start with an already good product and then improve it, why is the price too high, and if it is altered to better engineering advantage by a company, how is it then not 'legit' to that company?
What about the J.V arrangement for the production of Kawasaki/Suzuki 4 stroke multi valve MX bikes? Who copied who there? Which is better?
And also Suzuki/Hyosung with the 650 twin sport bikes.

'Imitation is the best sort of flattery' anyway, as they say.

 

[motard50s]

Thanks for the keeping confidentiality Erik, :thumbup:
As you are no doubt aware, specification vary according to production specification requested and that is where you get price differentials with what you see here for illustration purposes.
EMS are Australian specification and the finish build is done here also.
You have made no mention of brakes and other necessary components to complete your build up from 'legit parts'.
Re engineering is the way to radical innovation, and if you can start with an already good product and then improve it, why is the price too high, and if it is altered to better engineering advantage by a company, how is it then not 'legit' to that company?
What about the J.V arrangement for the production of Kawasaki/Suzuki 4 stroke multi valve MX bikes? Who copied who there? Which is better?
And also Suzuki/Hyosung with the 650 twin sport bikes.

'Imitation is the best sort of flattery' anyway, as they say.

As far as confidentiality... of course.
I guess I am accustomed to the current mini-market full of products that are taken overseas to copy and made cheaply to be sold inexpensively. You are correct in that a product can definitely be re-engineered better than the original and often is.

As far as my lack of mention of brakes and other necessary components and BBR updating their pricing:

A bike built from scratch at full retail with BBR frame ($2400)http://www.motoworldracing.com/product3673.html , Elka shock (included), Marzocchi forks ($1400) includes disc brake and front wheel assembly with tire mounted, TB108 stroker motor (that will walk all over that 124) ($1000), bars-plastic-SDG seat ($300 or so), rear wheel complete (includes drum hub and brake) ($250), knobbie tires ($40), misc (wiring harness, throttle, rear sprocket... etc) ($300)...

maybe I am a little off... but I just saved $150 on the frame and $20 on the front tire because I forgot it was included with the Marzocchi... so add that $170 to the misc list. hehe :thumbup:

...anyways, good luck with the product. If you need 100 sets of the trickest billet wheels you have seen to mount on your bikes... let me know and I will gladly talk about it.

~Erik

 

[Muzzard]

Thanks Erik, I saw the recent post with those 'Bling' Billet wheels of yours! :clap: The are so trick now you have anodised them, and yes I would love 100 sets for my bikes here. :thumbup: P.M. me with some detail please mate.

 

[jamesracing96]

Yeah those billet wheels would look Bling bling on the EMS 125!!

 

[stlwalnut]

What's up with the frames? Are the available alone or only as a complete bike?
If they are available alone, do they come with a shock?

 

[jamesracing96]

YES they come with shock and alum. swinarm. PM me for details

 

[Dakota569]

Here are a couple more pics or your "EMS" bikes ... lol .. they are cheap Chinese imports that can be bought for a fraction of what youre trying to get . They dont at all hold up to adult moto abuse ... You guys might be putting them together better than they would be from the factory, and hopefully changing some of the more pathetic parts..., but there are many people who read these forums who know the exact origin and cost of these bikes ... Just a tip ...

http://www.hui-hong-china.com/eBusiness/EN/product_list.asp?catalogid=6

 

[Muzzard]

As previously pointed out the bikes EMS produce are built to Australian specification and accordingly to a level of quality control far beyond your 'cheap chinese imports' you speak of.
Would you also be aware about J.V arrangements with the PRC government regarding the development of motorcycle component and actively involved in this field to know of differing specification, from manufacturer to manufacturer inside the PRC?
Would you also be an engineer with 25 years experience in motorsport engineering, travelling to and fro from PRC setting up CNC machinery to build motorcycles to specification on a repititious basis for a global market, the machinery of which is newer than a lot of U.S. machine shops, and setting specification for component alloys castings etc?
The Chinese are replication experts and this sees many inferior products (to those ORIGINALLY replicated utilising a cheap labour market with a build to specification contract) enter the market with flaws that are inherent because of the nature of the replication process.
So in summary, there is replicated bikes of differing specs and dont confuse an Australian spec EMS bike for one of your imports you speak of...

 

[DC_FIDDY]

please tell me nobody bought one of these

 

[jetcycles]

$5500 US. . .LOL Post up more pics of this $5500 bike, it better be built to the hilt with top shelf parts and a race ready motor for that price. What type of powerplant is that anyhow?