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Its been mentioned a million times I know, but I can't get it. My bike is a 2000 drz400e soon to be supermoto. 14/47 gearing, Ive read all the forums and watched all the videos.

Heres what I do; just above idle in second gear, 2 finger pull clutch rev engine let clutch out. and just a small amount of wheel lift and then I go full throttle and it just goes right down. :hmmm:

What Ive tried; Playing with clutch, throttle, timing, seating position, and I tightened the suspension to full. :headscrat

What I might be doing on accident; riding the clutch, leaning forward (still seating far back though), pussy out on throttle for the initial lift, I do not believe its the last one.

Any tips, This has been eating at me for a couple weeks now. :damn:
 

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I just learned how to wheelie mine this week, All I do in second is go around 20 mph get on the gas for a second, pull in the clutch for a second and rev and release...I found If I slip the clutch to much it wont do anything so I actually slip it very fast almost to the point dumping it. The second thing I found I did before to prevent the wheelie was not leaning back with the bike. When you drop the clutch pull back and straighten your arms out and that should help with the natural tendency to lean forward as it starts to climb. Third thing I do is keep on the gas until it hits balance point or I wuss out and close the throttle. Make sure to cover the rear brake!! Good luck.
 

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tanker has got it right. 20mph 2nd gear pop that clutch hard, i dont bounce or any shit like that. it comes up, and carry it forever. 3rd gear wheelies are the same. sorry for the shitty pic, the cam we used sucks

 

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Thanks guys! Went out today for a good hour or 2. Soon enough i was leaning back and trying to break the habit of leaning forward. Turns out i was slipping the clutch or my timing was off because this time i tried doing a double rev then pop the clutch and what do you know they come up. Now its just more practice to ride it out.:bannana:
 

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I just stay in first. Crank the throttle and pull back. Then shift into second without the clutch. And into 3rd if necessary. 1st is too hard to maintain a wheelie cause it's so torquey
 

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I just stay in first. Crank the throttle and pull back. Then shift into second without the clutch. And into 3rd if necessary. 1st is too hard to maintain a wheelie cause it's so torquey
Dont listen to this guy! You really should never power up its much safer to clutch and as a begginer dont wheelie first. Clutch second at 20mph and once you get good with using your rear break and hitting balance point then start trying to shift into third but never use the clutch mid wheelie. Practice clutching up in second then bringing it back down with the rear brake. Always cover the rear brake. Wear your gear and practice you will get it. oh and you can also clutch 3rd at around 30mpg with a good tug or if youve done 3x3, rejet, ect... I found it hard to clutch 3rd bone stock...With the FCR 3X3 and MRD I get 3rd with ease, but I was able to with 3X3 and rejet. Trying to clutch 4th but I dont have much luck so I just shift 3rd into 4th and then 5th.
 

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anyone able to get theirs up stock? Not sure if it is because mine is stock, or because I am 250, or I am just not doing it right. Only way I have wheelied so far is by going over a hump, like over a railroad track, and just rolling the throttle as I go over.
 

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anyone able to get theirs up stock? Not sure if it is because mine is stock, or because I am 250, or I am just not doing it right. Only way I have wheelied so far is by going over a hump, like over a railroad track, and just rolling the throttle as I go over.
It will wheelie stock. Your technique must not be right. Practice clutching 2nd at 20mph
 

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Thanks guys. I started getting some good clutch ups, nothing much just a good step foward. I can only chase them out. I got it on film with a crap camera phone but i noticed i need to lean back more. I also need practice on using the rear brake. Instead if double revving then popping the clutch, im going to start using the single rev.

Any tips?
 

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Just keep up with it!! A single rev is easier for me than a "double" rev. I guess I don't really know how you are double reving but I would just try a single rev.
 

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I had trouble with timing at first so i started doing this.

Pull clutch in, pull throttle pull throttle. Release clutch. For some reason it helped with timing.

Basicaly it makes the yut ugh soung but yut yut ugh. I dont know why but it seemed to help at first. Just got to get timing down and lean back! Guess its just my brain not used to that feeling.
 

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Sit almost on the rear fender. I do that and it makes it a cake walk for 2nd clutch ups between 18-35mph or so. No luck clutching 3rnd yet but I can shift up.

Take your time you will get it. Wear your gear and cover the rear brake and don't forget to use it.
 

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I had trouble with timing at first so i started doing this.

Pull clutch in, pull throttle pull throttle. Release clutch. For some reason it helped with timing.

Basicaly it makes the yut ugh soung but yut yut ugh. I dont know why but it seemed to help at first. Just got to get timing down and lean back! Guess its just my brain not used to that feeling.
I think you may be doing it wrong. It sounds like you're using the clutch dump to lift the front. There is a much easier way : 2nd gear, constant speed - Just rolling along - Maybe 20MPH. Then, Roll on throttle to maybe half of wide open fast but smooth, as revs reach sweet spot maybe a half second after the roll on, pull in clutch just enough to raise the revs sharply and release. It'll lift.

It is definitely not : clutch in - vroom, vroom! - dump clutch! That is the road to Loopville!
 

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Yes, thats what i was told everywhere to do but with a single rev. It might be my altitude but ive hammered the throttle in second and not even a hop. First will come roght up but rev out and its is very touchy
 

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I watch alot if moto vlogs, and thats what they all do. With a single rev.

Head to youtube and check out the gardensnake. He had my exact same bike except i have a yoshi exhaust.
 

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Here's a little more detail. With this method I can wheel most bikes (every one I've tried it on at least)

Also - The best wheelie tutorial on youtube is from downshift83. He rides a sportsbike but he's got camera angles of his clutch, accelerator and helmet view simultaneously. With a lot of detail.

1. First or second gear. I'd say 2nd cos on a thumper first is a bit too violent and short.
2. Two fingers on the clutch rest of em holding on to the bar
3. Roll along Nice and slow. revs constant around 2k. Sitting straight up, arms relaxed.
4. Crack the throttle to halfway in a quick but smooth motion. Count off one half second.
5. Pull the clutch in real quick, just enough to slip it. Not as much as you'd use to gear change. And this is important. It is a momentary pull. You do not want the revs climbing much at all. And release. To visualise the clutch pull. Hold your left hand out in front of you, first 2 fingers extended. Like you are holding onto your bike. Now bend those fingers to the 90 degree point and straighten them as fast as you can. That's the clutch action. In-out. Don't let it flick out. You LET it out, but quickly.
6. If it doesn't wheelie. Roll a little faster than before. Keep everything else constant.
7. Once the wheel lifts you have half your throttle left to lift higher and ride it out.

That clutch pull in and release is really very small. If you're holding in the clutch too long a few things can happen. - a) It'll loop - b) The rear will spin up - c) nothing, as the revs have risen above the max torque line.

You shouldn't have to pull back on the bars in a low gear. Only once you get to doing standups and higher gear wheelies do you need to worry about pulling up on the bars.
 

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Dont listen to this guy! You really should never power up its much safer to clutch and as a begginer dont wheelie first. Clutch second at 20mph and once you get good with using your rear break and hitting balance point then start trying to shift into third but never use the clutch mid wheelie. Practice clutching up in second then bringing it back down with the rear brake. Always cover the rear brake. Wear your gear and practice you will get it. oh and you can also clutch 3rd at around 30mpg with a good tug or if youve done 3x3, rejet, ect... I found it hard to clutch 3rd bone stock...With the FCR 3X3 and MRD I get 3rd with ease, but I was able to with 3X3 and rejet. Trying to clutch 4th but I dont have much luck so I just shift 3rd into 4th and then 5th.
I can ride wheelies for days after powering it up. I tried clutching it up last night on the way home and it wouldn't come up in second. I'm sure if I rev'd it higher at a lower speed and dropped the clutch faster it would come up, but it seems dangerous and unpredictable compared to powering it up in first.
 

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When you "power it up" even tho you know you twisted the throttle you don't know if its for sure gonna come up and at what rate it's gonna come up(gradual or snap) When you clutch it up you're in full control of the wheelie. I have been stunt riding my Gsxr for bout 3 years now and by no means am I a pro but I do know the difference between clutching and powering. Any stunt rider will tell you to clutch. Talk to Ryan from 50 stunt. He is on motards all day long. He clutches. Also it's about being comfortable on the bike. If you're not comfortable clutching up then take it slow and practice. Now the 1st and 2nd gear thing. I would say stay in 1st being twitchy of not if you were to wreck it's going to hurt more at faster speeds. I see the "twitchy 1st gear" as a good way to learn throttle control. And lastly guys please cover the rear brake!!!!!!! This is just my 2 cents. Wheelie on!!!
 

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Next time you pull up to a stop sign give the bike a bit more gas and slip the clutch a bit faster pulling out and let the front gradually come up. Don't just dump the clutch or you will end up on your ass. Just let it out smoothly with enough gas and it will come up. If you shift early and keep your rpms low you won't have that twitchy effect. This gets you comfortable clutching it up quick. Slow wheelies are way more fun, safer, and teach you throttle control. You'll end up doing it every time you come to a stop trust me


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