sorry Im just getting this thread started this year. in the process of selling my house, moving, and buying a new house so I have needless to say lost track of time. but here goes nothing. as usual we will meet at the shell off Ortega hwy and the 5 frwy (east side of the frwy) in San Juan Capistrano at 7:30am and leave at 8 promptly thru ortega to elsinore. Im kinda leaving the route from there up to the group this year instead of mapping it all out. the main ??? i have is WHO IF ANYONE WANTS TO MEET AT CHAPPARAL MOTORSPORTS THIS YEAR?? last 2 years were [retty much a waste of time and if I cant get anyone to comfim for sure then we will skip that meet point and spend more time on the mountain. Im guessing we could be to Chap by around 10:30 am. then up the mountain for some serious fun as usual. feel free to throw some ideas out there guys, i dont have alot of time to plan this out but ill be damned if im not there with everyone. seriously looking forward to it.