Sxv 5.5 Vs 560 Smr Fyi

[salsbery]

So I rode my 560 SMR on a cart track the other day. Low and behold the object of my affection, an SXV 5.5 showed up. The rider was one of the fastest on the track and very good. He was one of the few backing it in and smoking laps. He was a far superior rider and could pass me at will in any turn. However, when he passed me on the last turn before the straight away a funny thing happened. We exited the turn with him about 15 feet ahead of me, and at the end of the 80 Yard straight away he might have gained 5 feet. My SMR is a race bike dynoed at about 60HP. It's ride weight was probably 260Lb that day. I think the SXV is close to 300lb ride ready. And while it was bad, I was impressed that I was able to keep up. Also I had a 38 tooth rear on instead of the 45. No way he would have pulled on me with that.

SMR VS SXV not the landslide you might think.

[speeddemon619]

Thats honestly refreshing to hear... What mods are done to your motor and do you happen to know about his bike?

[salsbery]

My bike was a sponsor race bike for Hart and Hunnington, no mods but trick exhaust.
Plus it is tuned perfectly. I dont know anything about his bike except he was fast and its a 5.5.

[speeddemon619]

That's pretty cool. I think im looking into the ktm for a race/street legal bike. Now i just dont know if i should go for a 450 or what. Any suggestions?

[CDNSXV]

An 80 yard straight is pretty short and the SXV is a top end kind of bike. If he ran slightly shorter gearing than stock, the SXV would likely come off the corners better. They don't have the bottom end that a single does.

[salsbery]

Based on my experience with the EXC SMR I would have to say get an EXC. THe SMR is awesome but 5,6 gear are no good for the street. If I did it again I would find another 2007 EXC and put a 41mm carb, clean up the head, change cams and flywheel, maybe the crank if you got some extra money, and a big bore kit. I think youd be damn close to the SMR and more reliable. IMHO

[nitronaf]

An 80 yard straight is pretty short and the SXV is a top end kind of bike. If he ran slightly shorter gearing than stock, the SXV would likely come off the corners better. They don't have the bottom end that a single does.

i confirm this statement
they barely have any and will bog down if u try pussy foot around a corner
they are VERY top end

[laohu69]

i confirm this statement
they barely have any and will bog down if u try pussy foot around a corner
they are VERY top end

The simple resolution that I use in these circumstances is to downshift one gear......

[PROJECT-X]

Interesting, but not terribly surprising, I have heard of some killer 560/610/675 motors that put out gobs of power. Think one of our members has a 675 hi-comp motor that burns only race gas, and pretty sure Suzy, a wera rider and deal's gap local, has a stroked 610, or that's what it was the last time I heard.

[speeddemon619]

What bike do you guys feel is the more street friendly, it will be ridden proboly 4-7 days a week, not much highway at all, and just trying to have tons of fun? Is the ape really worth all the extra money over the 560? This will also be raced on the track. Both bikes are going to require maintence and i know that. Thanks for the help guys

[PROJECT-X]

What bike do you guys feel is the more street friendly, it will be ridden proboly 4-7 days a week, not much highway at all, and just trying to have tons of fun? Is the ape really worth all the extra money over the 560? This will also be raced on the track. Both bikes are going to require maintence and i know that. Thanks for the help guys

Neither, unless you're serious about the racing cause they both are full on race bikes with histories of blowing up.

For the street, more reliability/less maintenance the SMC's, Husky 610, Berg 650 have proven records are will still put a big grin on your face for a trackday.

just my .$.02

[speeddemon619]

Thanks for the help! Im not too sure if i really wanna go that big with a 610 or 650. It seems like the 08 SXV's have the issues fixxed and are pretty reliable along with the 450 which seems to be even more reliable. Also not out of the question is different KTM models along with all the jap and euro bikes... The husky 510 seems to be a good bike, but i have to find a decent dealer and the ktm seems like a decent choice with a shop 15 minutes away

[MikeB]

Neither, unless you're serious about the racing cause they both are full on race bikes with histories of blowing up.

For the street, more reliability/less maintenance the SMC's, Husky 610, Berg 650 have proven records are will still put a big grin on your face for a trackday.

just my .$.02

I have no issues with sxv 5.5's on my berg. The Ape makes a little more top end power but the berg makes a lot more torque and weighs a lot less (240 lbs). I have also ran against HMC prepped 560s that are bumped out to 610cc and I still hold my own. I've had it to 125 MPH on rr tracks with 15/38 gearing. Its hard to beat the berg 650 combo of power/torque/weight. But if you treat it like an SMC or Husky 610 you will be sorry. Bergs are street legal race bikes and need very frequent care. My 650 only holds 850-900 ml of oil and I change it after every track day!

[speeddemon619]

That is some good info to hear! The Husaberg isnt the super stout maching it seemed to be

[MikeB]

That is some good info to hear! The Husaberg isnt the super stout maching it seemed to be

Oh its stout but you need to take care of it like the race bike it is!

[salsbery]

I cant believe that berg weighd 240 it looks like a pig.
240lbs 70HP that thing must really fly.

You sure thats not dry without tires or seat or some other crazy euoropean designation???

[speeddemon619]

Oh its stout but you need to take care of it like the race bike it is!

Then im in the same boat as all the smr's like ktm, aprilia and husky? Am i off base? Thanks

[kan3]

From what I've read it is 247lbs with everything but gas.

[speeddemon619]

Not gonna lie, thats a pretty impressive number for such a big bike! I like the looks of the husa, wouldnt mind like a 570 or 450 sm?

[CDNSXV]

My 650 only holds 850-900 ml of oil and I change it after every track day!

Good god, and I thought the 1250 ml of oil the SXV takes was small.

[MikeB]

I cant believe that berg weighd 240 it looks like a pig.
240lbs 70HP that thing must really fly.

You sure thats not dry without tires or seat or some other crazy euoropean designation???

Hey now, are you calling my girl a pig? Shes just big boned... If you look at a berg in person you will see why its so light. 240 dry with a battery and electric start! She does fly see pic below...

[MikeB]

Good god, and I thought the 1250 ml of oil the SXV takes was small.

Makes changing the oil easy I was concerned at first but after about 10 oil changes and and a tear down and inspection of the motor it looks like new so I guess they knew what they were doing when they designed it.

[MikeB]

Then im in the same boat as all the smr's like ktm, aprilia and husky? Am i off base? Thanks

If you are going to ride it 4-7 days per week I would pass on the race bikes. You would be chaninging the oil every weekend and valves every month. I know its a big trade off on performance but a KTM SMC or Husky 610 is what you need. Husaberg/KTM SMR/Husky SMR/Aprillia SXV are not made for that kind of "daily driving." I think you would be happy for a couple of months and then regret the purchase but that is just my opinion. I had a Husky 610 and thought it was a great street SM but it was heavy and not nearly as fast as my berg.

[PROJECT-X]

If you are going to ride it 4-7 days per week I would pass on the race bikes. You would be chaninging the oil every weekend and valves every month. I know its a big trade off on performance but a KTM SMC or Husky 610 is what you need. Husaberg/KTM SMR/Husky SMR/Aprillia SXV are not made for that kind of "daily driving." I think you would be happy for a couple of months and then regret the purchase but that is just my opinion. I had a Husky 610 and thought it was a great street SM but it was heavy and not nearly as fast as my berg.

+1, in simplest terms race bikes are as light as possible to be as fast as posssible, meaning they have less oil capacity( no oil in frame like SMC's) less cooling(no radiator fan-altough you can put one on the berg) and no starter/ battery/ large enough altenator windings/wiring-SMR's. KTM's manual for the 625SX even states that you should turn the motor off if stationary more than a min or two(traffic light).

The tradeoff is less reliability and anyone who has ever owned a race anything can tell you how expensive they can be not just from maintenance, but from damage caused from racing, race motors work harder , have less of a engineering safety factor and just don't last as long w/o rebuild. General rule is street tards for the street and race tards for the track, although if you don't mind the oil changes+ cost of expensive synthetic oil+ filters,the berg is flat out badass and almost as reliable as the street tards.

[Suns_PSD]

I thought I would use my tard for daily driving but I just don't. All I do is hit the canyons and go right back to the garage w/ only 50 miles or so on it.

If I could do it again I would have just bought the sickest full race tard I could find or have converted my '05 CRF450 instead.

Live and learn. On a good note my 690 SMC doesn't seem to really slow me down much. I'm just envious of the instant wheelies and ultralight weight and easy to get sideways feel of the full race tards.

[speeddemon619]

I thought I would use my tard for daily driving but I just don't. All I do is hit the canyons and go right back to the garage w/ only 50 miles or so on it.

If I could do it again I would have just bought the sickest full race tard I could find or have converted my '05 CRF450 instead.

Live and learn. On a good note my 690 SMC doesn't seem to really slow me down much. I'm just envious of the instant wheelies and ultralight weight and easy to get sideways feel of the full race tards.

Thanks, i have a feeling that eventually ill grow tired of riding the bike to work just due to being there for 10-14 hours and being pretty tired by the end of the day and not wanting to really put the effort into riding home