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    This months Motorcyclist showed a 450cc Street legal supermotor from Hyosung. Maybe a nice low cost alternative.

    We'll have to see this fall

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    honest, i think it is butt-ugly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josse View Post
    honest, i think it is butt-ugly...
    yeah, looks like a 610! now no one go and get all butt hurt, it's just a joke.
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    What a joke!! Man, I worked at a Yamaha dealership that started to carry Hyosung...one day the rep brought by one of their "sportbike" models and told me to take it for a ride and tell him how I liked it. Rode it and told him it was way worse than a Ninja 250 much to his dismay. God I hate these knockoff brands!!

    But that's just my $.02 for what it's worth.
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    It looks like just what it is......a cheap knockoff of a Husky. And I'm willing to bet my DRZ that it doesn't have the performance to back up the looks either. I know a guy who owns a UM motors sumo setup and has had a lot of trouble out of it. I've waited over two years so I could afford something reliable from a good company....I could've cheaped out at any time and bought something like this. But as I've gotten older I've realized that the old saying "you get what you pay for" really does hold true in most things.
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    i will never buy a bike in which i cant say the name of it. haha
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    Crush it! We give enough money to China. F' them and their b-rate products. Dont support them and buy their low end crap that includes UM stuff.

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    if they can deliver on a claimed weight of 260lbs dry and 50bhp it would be one of the better street sumo's available. problably won't be all that cheap I would bet still at least six grand. I am pretty shure they are korean. We just aren't getting any help from japan on getting a decent dual sport or sumo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albarelli View Post
    Crush it! We give enough money to China. F' them and their b-rate products. Dont support them and buy their low end crap that includes UM stuff.

    It a Korean bike. I'm not here to sell, stand up for, or generally defend Hyosung, but...I did have one of their 250cc sport bikes and it was pretty fun for what it was. I paid 3900 brand new and put 2k on before I sold it. BTW Hyosung has beed around for over 50 years and they actually assemble some of Suzuki's bikes....not the SS or MX bikes but some of the others.

    I'm not telling everyone to go out and buy a Hyosung, but this thing will prob retail for under 5k and it's a 450SM. Might be the right fit for a Newb.

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    that would make for a sweet lake jumper!!!!!!!!!!
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    Im not saying their good or bad but long ago everyone said the exact same thing about Japanese products. Just somthing to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPIguy View Post
    It looks like just what it is......a cheap knockoff of a Husky. And I'm willing to bet my DRZ that it doesn't have the performance to back up the looks either. I know a guy who owns a UM motors sumo setup and has had a lot of trouble out of it. I've waited over two years so I could afford something reliable from a good company....I could've cheaped out at any time and bought something like this. But as I've gotten older I've realized that the old saying "you get what you pay for" really does hold true in most things.
    A husky knockoff? I think Hyosung is aiming more for the Suzuki DRZ SM market and, in fact, has manufactured engines for Suzuki.

    The Hyosung, according to their press release, is 265lbs, has a 6-speed, fuel injection, and makes 50hp. It's the DRZ that's looking pretty cheap in comparison to me.

    Even if you hate the Hyosung, you have to love the competition. Suzuki will never get off their lazy asses and update the DRZ SM without competitive pressure. They've proven that for many years.

    Hyosung introduced the RX450SM at the trade shows a year ago and said it would be a 2008 model. Since then it has completely disappeared. The local dealer doesn't know anything about the bike or when it will be for sale, and the bike isn't shown on Hyosungusa.com. I was convinced it was vaporware, but if Motorcyclist has tested it I can't wait to read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strongbad View Post
    A husky knockoff? I think Hyosung is aiming more for the Suzuki DRZ SM market and, in fact, has manufactured engines for Suzuki.

    The Hyosung, according to their press release, is 265lbs, has a 6-speed, fuel injection, and makes 50hp. It's the DRZ that's looking pretty cheap in comparison to me.

    Even if you hate the Hyosung, you have to love the competition. Suzuki will never get off their lazy asses and update the DRZ SM without competitive pressure. They've proven that for many years.

    Hyosung introduced the RX450SM at the trade shows a year ago and said it would be a 2008 model. Since then it has completely disappeared. The local dealer doesn't know anything about the bike or when it will be for sale, and the bike isn't shown on Hyosungusa.com. I was convinced it was vaporware, but if Motorcyclist has tested it I can't wait to read the article.


    What I was getting at was the bodywork looks like a Husky. If they can back up the preliminary numbers then good for them. I agree that more bikes on the market will force other manufacturers to take notice, and can only help get the sport more recognition. I wansn't meaning to compare the two bikes performance wise.....there's no replacement for displacement. The DRZ has never been called fast, but it's known to be bulletproof.
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    I looked up the hyosung ATV online(450cc) and its a hair slower then a 660R raptor. So i'd bet its around 40hp. I wouldnt be suprised if the same motor would be used in this bike. Not the best, but plenty of power to hang with anything in its price range.


    IMO anyone who groups hyosung in the "knock off market" is just plain ignorant on the subject. I've researched their sportbikes and i've heard great things. I might even buy a 650 in a few weeks for commuting.

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    Yep. I wouldnt knock Hyosung. My chick has got the GT650R road bike and I reckon its pretty good value for money. Its not far off my Husky 570 (bored to a 600 with other goodies) in a straight line, she is about 50 kg and I am 100 kg however. But over all it looks alright, goes good and has so far been reliable.

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    I thought hyosing or whatever uses ALOT of suzuki parts. The front end looks like that future DRZ that I saw a picture on here

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    Sent this to the Hyosung folks today (allen@hyosungmotorsusa.com; davidl@hyosungmotorsusa.com; stkim@hyosungmotorsusa.com)

    Maybe if more of us do something similar, we could accelerate the release?

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    I am very interested in any information you can give me about the RX450SM. I live in California so I hope that this bike will become available there. I found this thread where one of the posters mentions a November 2008 release date; is this true? I have copied Mr. Laugs as I saw him post in another thread regarding this bike.

    From what I gather, the prototype shown late last year was a 265lb dry supermotard with a fuel-injected 450cc engine putting out ~50hp (the same engine in your previously released TE450S ATV). It had USD forks, brembo brakes, wave rotors, and a six speed transmission. Will the production version match these specifications? I can state with high certainty that such a bike for ~$5K would sell very well here as there is currently nothing from the Japanese manufacturers sold in the USA that is similar. There are a few european bikes that would line up well with this, but they are a few thousand dollars more and (hopefully) far less reliable; even so, those bikes (KTM EXC/SM series, Husqvarna SM series, and Aprilia SXV series) all sell fairly well. The carburated Suzuki DRZ400SM and Brand new EFI Yamaha WR250X sell very well, though they are ~$6K and have but 30 hp.

    I and many others would be interested in purchasing the RX450SM. I have come across many laments wishing for bigger, more reliable EFI Motards and if you have a bike to fit that niche, you should be selling it here.

    So please, please, please sell the RX450SM in the USA (specifically California).

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    When will this bike be here?
    Will it be similar to the prototype?
    What is the targeted price point?
    Please, please, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flames3891 View Post
    yeah, looks like a 610! now no one go and get all butt hurt, it's just a joke.
    Har har i actually thought the same thing, lol... and i OWN a 610. It looks like Hyosung copied all the ugliest parts of the popular sumo's out there today, and did a lousy job at it, to boot.
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    You people are a piece of work!

    Funny........Everyone was knocking the reliability of the 200 also with claims that a friends distant relative owned one and it nothing but trouble but in reality there have been only good things being said from people who actually bought them.

    You people bitch because there are not enough turn key SM bikes on the market and Now people are knocking the reliability of a bike that has net even been released!

    Sometimes I wonder why a company would even want to produce a bike for such a bitchy crowd!

    Hyosung please bring the bike to production!

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    I was wondering too where this bike went. I've also heard pretty good things about their sportsbikes.

    Another pic:



    Also found this spec list:

    -Single Cylinder DOHC 4-valve engine (449cc = 54 hp in TE450)
    -CrMo alloy tubular frame
    -180/55 ZR17 Rear "Tyre" (haha)
    -Brembo Calipers - Radial mounted
    - 260mm (Front) & 250mm (Rear) "wavy" disc rotors
    -Water Cooled (BAD MOVE!!)
    -Oil reservoir in frame tubes
    -6 speed (true?)
    -Adjustable Front & Ohlins Rear Susp
    -Silicon Alloy cylinder sleeves & PF Diecast Pistons
    -E-start and Reverse (lol, joke from TE450 quad)
    -3 Year Warranty

    its supposed to go into production end of 2008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strongbad View Post
    A husky knockoff? I think Hyosung is aiming more for the Suzuki DRZ SM market and, in fact, has manufactured engines for Suzuki.

    The Hyosung, according to their press release, is 265lbs, has a 6-speed, fuel injection, and makes 50hp. It's the DRZ that's looking pretty cheap in comparison to me.
    If the big four can't produce a reliable, turn-key 50 hp 450, what makes you think Hyosung can? No way are those real numbers. Crank HP maybe, not RHWP.

    A DRZ cheap by comparison? Like a Honda is "cheap" compared to a Yugo? Hardly. DRZs are proven bullet proof bikes. Sure can't say that for Hyosung.

    Even if you hate the Hyosung, you have to love the competition. Suzuki will never get off their lazy asses and update the DRZ SM without competitive pressure. They've proven that for many years.
    I don't see Hyosung as competition for the DRZ anymore than I see Schuck's dirt bikes as competitions for RMZ, CRFs etc. They are cheap junk that's not even in the same league performance and quality-wise. Their street bikes are junk, why would the SM be any different?
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    The only first hand experience I have with these bikes is.....
    I was at the New York bike show last year with a couple of buddies, one of them happens to be my ins. agent, he sat on one of the sportbike models (dont know what model - didnt care) and starts joking around. He started squeezing the front brake lever and said " hey ya think I can make this thing blow a seal or something " when the lever broke right off the master cylinder, I mean not just the lever but the actuall casting of the master. I thought I was gonna piss my pants, but when we walked away , the reality set in , I can only imagine if that happened in panic situation !!!!!!!
    So I think for myself, I'll be sticking with the higher priced "PROVEN" models and not taking chances with my safety. I'm pretty good at being dangerous all on my own !!!!!!!!
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    the force he put on that brake lever in a stopped position would have sent the bike end over end in a "panic situation".... you dont realize just how little force your typical brake lever requires to pick a bike up into a stoppie.

    honestly, i could probably at least BEND the typical brake lever just squeezing on it at a stop position.

    but even so, a casting breaking - not so good.

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    its crap..yes...
    but you said the same thing about the Japanese after WW2. Cheap knock off crap...Now look at the Japanese....

    You'll see what happens in a few years....when the Chinese start flying to Mars, and living in the center of the earth

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    same think applies to S.Korea and Co

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanotech9 View Post
    the force he put on that brake lever in a stopped position would have sent the bike end over end in a "panic situation".... you dont realize just how little force your typical brake lever requires to pick a bike up into a stoppie.

    honestly, i could probably at least BEND the typical brake lever just squeezing on it at a stop position.

    but even so, a casting breaking - not so good.
    C'mon bro, go out to your bike right now and squeeze your brake lever, if you can bend it with your hand pressure , I WILL BUY YOU A NEW ONE!
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    Recall how poorly built and utterly craptastic Hyundais were when they first hit the market. Now look at them, or hell...even KIA makes a pretty decent car these days. Now, I don't own either, or desire one, but I have to recognize the strides they have made. People laughed at Japanese products, now they name their children after them. It is only a matter of time until these bikes are on par with Japanese products. The South Koreans are quite capable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanotech9 View Post
    the force he put on that brake lever in a stopped position would have sent the bike end over end in a "panic situation".... you dont realize just how little force your typical brake lever requires to pick a bike up into a stoppie.

    honestly, i could probably at least BEND the typical brake lever just squeezing on it at a stop position.

    but even so, a casting breaking - not so good.
    I don't know why you bothered to make the first point because yes, as you stated, the casting shouldn't break. Ever. I don't care who is pulling on it or why or how hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markb818 View Post
    C'mon bro, go out to your bike right now and squeeze your brake lever, if you can bend it with your hand pressure , I WILL BUY YOU A NEW ONE!
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanotech9 View Post
    honestly, i could probably at least BEND the typical brake lever just squeezing on it at a stop position.
    If you can do that, you're in the wrong line of work. You should be on 3AM infomercials selling sh1tty home gyms to people who will never use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MBreinin View Post
    Recall how poorly built and utterly craptastic Hyundais were when they first hit the market. Now look at them, or hell...even KIA makes a pretty decent car these days. Now, I don't own either, or desire one, but I have to recognize the strides they have made. People laughed at Japanese products, now they name their children after them. It is only a matter of time until these bikes are on par with Japanese products. The South Koreans are quite capable.

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    screw that thing, i had one.. it took a huge SHIT.. fuck hyosung right in the ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP1K View Post
    DRZs are proven bullet proof bikes. Sure can't say that for Hyosung.



    I don't see Hyosung as competition for the DRZ anymore than I see Schuck's dirt bikes as competitions for RMZ, CRFs etc. They are cheap junk that's not even in the same league performance and quality-wise. Their street bikes are junk, why would the SM be any different?
    "Cheap"? "Junk"?
    Tell that to Brad Pitman-Armstrong, #426.
    He won the WERA West LW Twin Supersport EX series in 2007 on a Hyosung 650.
    Oh yeah, he also placed 2nd in the LW Superbike with the same machine against modified competition.
    BTW, he also placed 4th in Formula 2 on the same machine, again, against heavily modified machines while he was running a stock Hyosung.

    Or, you could tell that to Matt Kellerman, #63, who placed 2nd in the 2007 CCS Southwest Thunderbike series.
    He also placed 3rd in the Light Weight Superbike for the season.

    I hate to be the one to tell you but you don't win championships, or place highly, on "cheap" pieces of "junk". A racebike has to be reliable first and fast second. Especially one that runs multiple classes on the same day, as was the case with Brad & Matt's bikes.

    If you care to search you will find that there are Hyosungs being run in other WERA & CCS regions with success.
    It would appear that the facts disprove your theory that Hyosungs are "cheap" & "junk".
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    Quote Originally Posted by laohu69 View Post
    "Cheap"? "Junk"?
    Tell that to Brad Pitman-Armstrong, #426.
    He won the WERA West LW Twin Supersport EX series in 2007 on a Hyosung 650.
    Oh yeah, he also placed 2nd in the LW Superbike with the same machine against modified competition.
    BTW, he also placed 4th in Formula 2 on the same machine, again, against heavily modified machines while he was running a stock Hyosung.

    Or, you could tell that to Matt Kellerman, #63, who placed 2nd in the 2007 CCS Southwest Thunderbike series.
    He also placed 3rd in the Light Weight Superbike for the season.

    I hate to be the one to tell you but you don't win championships, or place highly, on "cheap" pieces of "junk". A racebike has to be reliable first and fast second. Especially one that runs multiple classes on the same day, as was the case with Brad & Matt's bikes.

    If you care to search you will find that there are Hyosungs being run in other WERA & CCS regions with success.
    It would appear that the facts disprove your theory that Hyosungs are "cheap" & "junk".
    im my line of work..those are called ''outliers'', nothing significant there.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by urymoto View Post
    im my line of work..those are called ''outliers'', nothing significant there.....
    In my line of work they're called "facts" and are the only thing that is relevant since everything else is opinion, hyperbole, innuendo, insinuation and hypothesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urymoto View Post
    im my line of work..those are called ''outliers'', nothing significant there.....
    ......never heard that one in the motorcycle industry.


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    I'm all for new stuff. Hell...even new stuff from proven manufacturers have teething problems. Bt yeah...I always wait until they get rid of all their baby teeth and get their permanent teeth.
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    the guy probably works far from motos, deep in statistics

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    Quote Originally Posted by apa View Post
    ......never heard that one in the motorcycle industry.


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    hell I never heard it at all

    In statistics, an outlier is an observation that is numerically distant from the rest of the data. Statistics derived from data sets that include outliers may be misleading. For example, if one is calculating the average temperature of 10 objects in a room, and most are between 20 and 25 degrees Celsius, but an oven is at 350 °C, the median of the data may be 23 but the mean temperature will be 55. In this case, the median better reflects the temperature of a randomly sampled object than the mean. Outliers may be indicative of data points that belong to a different population than the rest of the sample set.

    In most larger samplings of data, some data points will be further away from the sample mean than what is deemed reasonable. This can be due to incidental systematic error or flaws in the theory that generated an assumed family of probability distributions, or it can simply be the case that some observations happen to be a long way from the center of the data. Outlier points can therefore indicate faulty data, erroneous procedures, or areas where a certain theory might not be valid. However, a small number of outliers not due to any anomalous condition is to be expected in large samples.
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    I emailed Allen Zino of Hyosung Motors USA about availability of the RX450SM. Got a reply this morning, "Hopefully toward the end of this year."

    Hopefully he's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albarelli View Post
    Crush it! We give enough money to China. F' them and their b-rate products. Dont support them and buy their low end crap that includes UM stuff.
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    Well, seeing as this issue has been beaten into the ground.... I'll go ahead and chime in...

    I can't say if Hyosung makes a decent, reliable, powerful, or fast bike. I have never seen one. What I do know, from what I have read, is that they are vast improvement from such delightful brands as SunL, Yamoto, and alike. These are better than the bikes you find at you local Pep Boys, but they aren't quite in the same class as the Jap bikes. That is reflected in the price. I know Hyosung built engines, and other components under contract for Suzuki for years. So from a manufacturing standpoint, few could argue that they don't have the ability to make quality components. (willingness is a whole other issue). People laughed at Kia and Hyuandi when they first came ashore in the US. While there were some initial issues with those brands, they have proven themselves to be decent vehicles. One could only imagine that Hyosung's first steps will be shaky, but in time I am confident that they will be fine.

    Now, am I gonna be the lab rat that buys one? No. Would I in 5 years or so if they are able to carve out a foot hold in the cut throat US marketplace? Yes!

    I applaud Hyosung for their efforts. If nothing else, the release of this bike would be the 2nd best Asian built supermoto on the US market....by virtue of there only being two.....

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    I dont suppose anyone has read this thread?

    http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/hyo...g-gt-250r.html

    looks like he edited the first post, but the basic premise is that he purchased a GT250r and has had great luck with it.

    I've been looking into buying one for awhile and have followed the results of various owners. Most have a good experience with little-to no bugs.

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    whats going to be funny is when the ones of you bashing it get smoked by one in the canyon's.... hell, I would buy it way before i would ever consider a drz & the relibility of the hyosung can't be no worse that an ape.







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    Quote Originally Posted by san juan View Post





    whats going to be funny is when the ones of you bashing it get smoked by one in the canyon's.... hell, I would buy it way before i would ever consider a drz & the relibility of the hyosung can't be no worse that an ape.







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    So if I put Mark Burkhart on a Hyosung and a noob rider on Mark's factory race tard, and Mark proceeds to smoke the noob, does that make the Hyosung a better bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laohu69 View Post
    "Cheap"? "Junk"?
    Tell that to Brad Pitman-Armstrong, #426.
    He won the WERA West LW Twin Supersport EX series in 2007 on a Hyosung 650.
    Oh yeah, he also placed 2nd in the LW Superbike with the same machine against modified competition.
    BTW, he also placed 4th in Formula 2 on the same machine, again, against heavily modified machines while he was running a stock Hyosung.

    Or, you could tell that to Matt Kellerman, #63, who placed 2nd in the 2007 CCS Southwest Thunderbike series.
    He also placed 3rd in the Light Weight Superbike for the season.

    I hate to be the one to tell you but you don't win championships, or place highly, on "cheap" pieces of "junk". A racebike has to be reliable first and fast second. Especially one that runs multiple classes on the same day, as was the case with Brad & Matt's bikes.

    If you care to search you will find that there are Hyosungs being run in other WERA & CCS regions with success.
    It would appear that the facts disprove your theory that Hyosungs are "cheap" & "junk".
    Ok you buy one then. I'll stick with proven quality, thanks. Race bikes and street bikes are two very different things. Maybe they tore those bikes down and checked/rebuilt them after every race weekend? Maybe they swapped Honda motors in them? Who knows.

    You can visually LOOK at a Hyosung, and it's obviously not built with the same quality as Honda, Suzuki, etc. Is it Schucks' level of junk? Of course not. But on par with the Big Four? Hardly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwin View Post
    Wrong country,try again






    By the way, where is the OP in this discussion? What did Motorcyclist have to say about the RX450SM? Anybody see the article?

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    Korean vehicles seem great as far as flat out value and reliability goes...but...dang...their styling ain't for squat! They just look ..well..cheap.

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